Dolphins 13th pick must be a hit to remove any doubt about the trade with the Eagles.
If none of the top prospects drop to the Miami…what then should be their move?
The more mock drafts you read (and there are tons), the more likely it now appears that beyond a rare chain of events that (CB) Vernon Hargreaves III, (RB) Ezekiel Elliot, and (OT) Ronnie Stanley are likely not to be on the board by the time Miami picks at number 13th pick. If the top prospects don’t drop to Miami…what then?
Should it be best player available? Will a trade back be more or less likely?
My usual mindset is best talent available because you can never have enough good talent.
With that being said though, Miami needs to select the best player available WHILE fitting into one of their four main needs: Offensive Lineman, Cornerback, Running Back, or Linebacker.
And no, if a player like QB Carson Wentz slides to the Dolphins, I would not select him.
First, because I am not 100% sold on him being a franchise QB. Second, Miami has so many other holes to fill that if they really want to draft a QB, they can wait until the 3rd or 4thround to get a prospect such as Dak Prescott, Connor Cook, or Cardale Jones. If Wentz were to drop to Miami could use him as trade bait to stockpile some more draft picks.
On the positive side, with big needs in four major position groups, Miami should have no problem drafting one of those needy positions and that player being a talented one. As a bonus, two positions that are very deep in talent in the 2016 Draft are Running Backs and Cornerbacks.
I originally preferred an offensive linemen with the first pick. But, that’s changed with the trade back and the “top talents” at left Tackle are likely to be gone.
Elliot seems to be the only true first round running back, but I believe that Miami can find a very good running back in the second or third round, which can be paired with Jay Ajayi.
Jack won’t be around and their isn’t a top pass-rushing LB at #13, so ‘backers can be had latter in the draft or next year.
Dolphins 13th pick must be a hit to remove any doubt about the Eagles trade.
Cornerback though – good ones – are hard to come by. With depth at CB this year and all the action from teams reaching for QB’s, some “almost top prospects” should be had farther back than normal. So, cornerback should be he pick at #13.
Right now Miami has zero absolutes playing opposite of Maxwell. Sure we have two second year players in Bobby McCain and Tony Lippett that both showed flashes, however, I don’t believe either one is ready to be forced to start. Also, if Maxwell doesn’t pan out as a starter and you don’t draft a CB, then Miami will be Swiss cheese in pass defense. It will be a season long reinforcement of the ills of the trade – even if Alonzo proves himself. But, if Alsono rebounds and you get a capable CB in the draft, even if Maxwell flops, it’s still a big win for Tannenbaum and Miami.
There are three cornerbacks that should all be around when Miami is on the clock at number 13th, which are Eli Apple (Ohio State), William Jackson (Houston), and Mackensie Alexander (Clemson). The interesting thing about each of these players is that they are all first round talents, but depending on how high the Dolphins gambling threshold is, they even may be able to trade back and still grab one of these players later in the first.
I prefer Apple and Jackson over Alexander, because they are both taller (around 6’1”, compared to Alexander 5’10”), faster, and better ball hawks. Vance Joseph likes his cornerbacks taller, and Miami has to go up against very tall receivers like Marshall, Watkins and Decker, so Apple and Jackson seem like a better fit. Both players have also done a very good job of helping their draft status with impressive combine performances.
William Jackson appears to have the highest ceiling of the three players, and he has been rocketing up the draft boards, which reminds me of when Antonio Cromartie shot up the draft board in 2006 and was drafted by the Chargers with the 19th pick. They also both have very similar builds, lanky and tall. I would have no problem if Jackson turned in Cromartie type career who’s been a pro bowl CB with 31 career interceptions.
What are the rest of the Miami Dolphins News fans thoughts about the Dolphins first round selection?
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He can play corner on defense—24 career starts—but his true value at the next level will be in the return game. His explosive playmaking ability as a return specialist earned him a laundry list of postseason accolades, and he leaves Manhattan, Kansas, tied for the all-time Big 12 lead in kickoff returns for touchdowns.
Burns isn’t likely to come off the board until Day 3, and he could possibly even end up as an undrafted free agent. No matter where he goes in that range, his electric return abilities could make him an immediate-impact player.
When the time comes for picking a Running Back for the Dolphins. Base on Dallas, Eagles, Giants or the Bears one will take Elliot. Miami’s next back Alex Collins But If Jonathan Williams pass physical ? He would be my picked. Why? Carlos Hyde-like ability to maintain his balance after all types contact anywhere on his body.
While Williams doesn’t have the breakaway speed to score 80-yard touchdowns, pound-for-pound, his combo of vision, shiftiness and continual leg churn is second only to Ezekiel Elliott’s in this class. That’s why Williams would be the next back that would pursue? I believed the Bronco’s s will pursue him too.
The Arkansas Razorbacks feature two of the best running backs in not only the SEC, but in all of college football. Alex Collins and Jonathan Williams should both translate well too the NFL. Williams is more of a bruiser, while Collins is the shiftier of the two.
When is the last time the Razorbacks have had two outstanding running backs on the same team? Darren McFadden and Felix Jones come to mind.
Name: Jonathan Williams Position: Running back School: Arkansas Height: 5-foot-11 Weight: 220 pounds Projected round: Third-Fifth 40-yard dash time: 4.55 seconds (pro day) Bench press reps: 16
Key stats: Williams missed the 2015 season after requiring surgery on his foot, but was a productive powerhouse the year before, rushing for 1,190 yards and 12 touchdowns on just 211 carries.
How he fits: Williams is a complete back, capable of playing all three downs. He would provide the Lions with a nice power component to complement Ameer Abdullah.
Williams runs with purpose and has a knack for making tacklers miss, whether it’s with a sharp cut or plowing through them. He’s also advanced as a pass protector, an underrated component for the role he’d be asked to fill in Detroit.
The foot injury that cost him last 2015 season is certainly a concern. The Lions would need to be comfortable with the medical reports coming out of the combine. For as the Dolphins when was the last time We had a 3 down Back?
Considering the Fins missed Elliot in the Draft. Collins we may missed also in the 3rd round. But No Worries with a Clean Bill of Health Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas
Williams isn’t likely near the bottom of most running back rankings, yet after missing the entire 2015 season with a foot injury, it’s been easy for him to get passed by his contemporaries. Heck, his teammate, Alex Collins, turned in a fantastic 2015 campaign in which he ran for 1,577 yards and 20 touchdowns on 271 carries for the Razorbacks. In 2014 though, Williams was Collins’ co-star for Arkansas, as the two both eclipsed the 1,000-yard mark and scored 12 rushing touchdowns.
At 5-foot-11 and 220 pounds, Williams is ideally designed to be a three-down, feature back in the NFL. He wasn’t able to run through drills at the combine because of his injury, but his 2014 film is spectacular. In nearly every outing, Williams flashed springy burst through the hole, power through tacklers and most impressively, a Carlos Hyde-like ability to maintain his balance after all types contact anywhere on his body.
While Williams doesn’t have the breakaway speed to score 80-yard touchdowns, pound-for-pound, his combo of vision, shiftiness and continual leg churn is second only to Ezekiel Elliott’s in this class.
We also need running backs for Tannehill also in the Backfield who can block? Elliot is almong them as a Very good Blocker & receiver. Whats the Differents in the 3 Backs DolFans?
Henry Alabama
The obvious place to start is with Alabama’s Derrick Henry, if only for the sheer volume of carries he had in 2015 — a whopping 395, tops in the NCAA. That high number of attempts led to the highest rushing yardage total in college football for the year at 2,219. The way Alabama approaches its run game — find the right back and run him into the ground — has been a criticism of draft prospects at the position for years.
But Henry is different. Though he had over 400 touches last year, including his 11 receptions, he had just 172 carries the year before and a mere 35 in 2013. He had a heavy workload last year, to be sure, and there should be a modicum of concern about the tread on his tires, but with 602 carries over three years, the bigger issue is more the lack of opportunities catching the football. In the passing game, Henry was employed more as a blocker, picking up would-be blitzers, rather than catching passes.
Elliot At Ohio State
The more rounded back, at least from proven collegiate production, is Ohio State’s Ezekiel Elliot, who had 27 receptions for 206 yards to go along with his 289 carries for 1,821 yards and 23 scores in 2015. Elliot, too, is a strong blocker. He also had a better yards-per-carry average than Henry, at 6.3. Henry may be a skilled receiver, but it’s something that wasn’t consistently on display in college. Elliot, meanwhile, has had more experience in that area, though in the NFL he could be seeing 40, 50 or more targets per season depending on where he lands and will have to consistently improve in this area.
Collins at Arkansas Arkansas’s Alex Collins is much like Henry in the sense that he didn’t have many pass-catching opportunities last year, with just 13 receptions for 95 yards. But like Henry, his biggest asset in the collegiate passing game was blocking. He also ran well, with 271 carries for 1,577 yards and 20 scores.
I did make a mistake about Elliot being a Good pass Blocker!
WEAKNESSES: Elliott needs to become more consistent as a receiver and needs refinement as a blocker, but it’s tough to find weaknesses in his run style, which is why he could projects as one of the top running backs and a likely first-round pick in the 2016 class. –Dane Brugler (12/1/15)
Mock Draft Expert Analysis RangBruglerPriscoBrinson Philadelphia Eagles | #8 Few players offer more immediate impact potential than Elliott, the consensus top back in the draft. After working previously with LeSean McCoy in Philadelphia and Jamaal Charles in Kansas City, new Eagles coach Doug Pederson is used to operating an offense around a star back. Elliott has the well-rounded game to be a star in Pederson’s offense.
A good running back assignment to block for Tannehill is very important even when the linemen are blocking? Once again We have a lot of players in the position but who is really doing the Job? Hint Ezekiel Elliot can block in the back field for Tannehill Allso Hint 7th Round FB Vitale? Many would cry! But How many Assignment Blocks are missed by the Running Backs? For the fans who always say OH we can always throw in a Running back down the road?
Meanwhile, I wonder if the Dolphins 14 sacks allowed are skewed, in the same way that the Saints have been better at putting pressure on the quarterback than the sacks indicate. I always harp on the fact that sacks only tell part of the story, and I think that’s the case here. Jonathan Martin has held up his end of the bargain on the left side, and the interior has looked steady with Mike Pouncey leading the way. The issue is that the Dolphins aren’t getting good pass blocking out of the backs, as those guys have been responsible for allowing a few sacks by not picking up blitzers.
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This analytical look is proof that Tannehill could/should benefit from the Dolphins’ offensive line being reinforced even more than it has been this offseason, which including the signing of four veterans – Jermon Bushrod, Sam Young, Kraig Urbik and Jacques McClendon – to fortify the team’s depth.
Any offense that’s averaging 30.5 points, averaging 147 rushing yards and has a quarterback with a 107 passer rating would be hard to beat.
The Dolphins have already invested two first-round picks, one second-round pick, three third-round picks, and one fourth-round pick on thier offensive line since 2010. It might benefit Miami to keep the investment in the offensive line going considering how well the offense and Tannehill has performed when the unit isn’t decimated by injuries and can win the line of scrimmage.
The Dolphins brass and coaches need to figure out what they can do to turn that seven-game period into a real NFL fairy tale.
At no point should anyone make the argument that an offense that scored 21 or more points only three times during the 2015 season can be viewed as acceptable. However, there was a small window of games the past two seasons that we’ll examine that present a glimmer of hope for Miami.
I’m referring to the seven games the cornerstones of the Dolphins’ offensive line – left tackle Branden Albert, center Mike Pouncey, and right tackle Ja’Wuan James – actually started and finished a game together.
We’re talking about the games where Albert’s right knee was healthy, Pouncey’s hip and foot wasn’t an issue, and the period early in his career where James didn’t miss more than half the season with a foot injury.
During those seven games the Dolphins managed a 6-1 record.
In 2014 the Dolphins beat Chicago (27-14) and Jacksonville (27-13) on the road, pummeled San Diego (37-0) and the one loss was to Green Bay (27-24) on a last-second play where the defense (cough, cough Philip Wheeler) let a victory escape the team’s grasp.
So in games where Albert, Pouncey and James started and finished in 2014 the Dolphins were 3-1.
Flip the page to 2015 and the Dolphins produced a 3-0 record in games Albert, Pouncey and James started and finished the contests.
Miami beat Washington 17-10 in the season opener courtesy of Jarvis Landry’s punt return for a touchdown. The Dolphins destroyed Tennessee 38-10 on the road in Dan Campbell’s first game as interim head coach, and Miami pummeled Houston 44-26.
James suffered his foot injury in Miami’s lost to New England the next week.
We all can agree that we desire having a winning season. Lemus wants the offenses line address 1st, Dunner feels that the Defense needs addressing 1st and Admin swaying towards the Corner Backs 1st.
Here’s the real problem Admin/Jimmy wrote about it a few years back. Bob Griese & Dan Marino between the two for 34 years the Miami Dolphins has had only two losing season with two QB’s. Currently we have been playued by over a decade of losing seasons.
Miami has never address the problems of QB’s.
We are heading into season 5 with a questionable QB which is #30th QB’s and we are hoping that the offensive line was the problem? Its like all are nothing? (No true deep threat and has never won a must win game) Matt Moore’s time may have passed being A threat QB?. We need to Draft a later round QB who has won A national Title for security allow to ride the Bench and learn. But Miami is afraid of success I believed? Do we really think the PAT’s are playing games with Tom Brady’s replacement or backup?
…we have no idea whether or not Tannehill is the future or not
…the past coaching staff as well as the present support him despite plenty of opportunities to bench him …they should have replaced Moore two years ago and started grooming someone with a future just in case they changed their minds
…but here’s the thing …after 4 years of Tannehill we still don’t know …and the reason we still don’t know is that he’s been the most sacked/hurried/forced out QB in the NFL over that time span …he’s never played with any kind of decent pass protection, much less a consistent running game to take the pressure off him
…I’m convinced that Gase is serious about turning our turnstiles into pro-bowlers in the weight room …and I’d love to think he’s right …but I don’t
…so we pick up a high potential running back in the 1st and watch him run into a stone wall time after time because no one can open a crease for him, much less a lane …and then watch again and again as the coaches go to the pass and lo and behold, Tannehill is under unholy attack because our OL can’t give him time to find an open receiver, much less deliver …and there we are again in Jan ’17 not knowing if Tannehill is the man
…hell yeah, we need a decent RB …but we need an OL first
…or we pick a LB despite having made what Gase appears to think are significant upgrades there in FA …not to mention Jordan again as that seems to offend someone’s safe space …or a CB when we already have two 2nd year CBs on the roster due to come into their prime and showing a lot of potential in the last ’15 games …do we really think Gase already traded away our #8 pick for a bust? …if that’s true, god help us in the draft
…hell yeah, we could use LB/CB …but we need an OL first
…and yeah, we go for broke and pick an “impact” player at 13 …and we get those “wonder” guards in the 4th-6th …then hold our breaths that #13’s not another bust …all the while our newly minted workout demons still can’t stop a power rush, much less a speed rush …and our late picks never make it off the bench …again
…and, oh yeah …this was simply delightful …”I’m” a Philbin lover because I want to fix the OL
Lemmus I hear ya! Its not that you want to fix the O-Line, but how. Its not wrong and I’m not right. I am in agreement w Tanny, however; there were 4 QBs that were sacked as many or more than Tanyy in ’15:
1) Bortles 2) Rodgers 3) A.Smith 4) Wilson * Stafford was sacked 1 less time than Tanny
So there is 5 PRO BOWL QBs that were sacked as many or more times than Tanny last year (15′ season) and some how, some way they managed. So to say we can’t get a true evaluation of Tanny without drafting O-Lineman in the first round is, IMO, incorrect. I feel that it has been the coaching staff all along and if Tanny struggles w the same issues this year regardless of the O-Line, there you have it, we will be looking else where. Who knows, maybe this staff has that feeling and they are setting themselves up for the opportunity to either sign a big free agent QB (plenty of cap space) or having the ammunition to move up in the draft to draft a top QB next year (compensation picks along with regular picks). Facts are facts, a great O-Line doesn’t make the QB, a good enough QB will adjust accordingly, at least the upper echelon QBs. Lemmus, it would make any QBs job easier w good protection though.
Very nice Assessment on our offensive line and the break down of the NFL QB’s with similar sacks but some how turn their adversity into Pro Bowl i.e. playoff status.
Many Fans think that to critique Tannehill means We oppose him NOT SO. We want A 100% for Tannehill to Succeed with the Dolphins. But With every player on the Dolphins roster there is room for improvement. The 1st phrase of problem solving is to Identify the problem or problems. Identify every players issues needing improvement and not say anything about the QB is Hypocrisy or living in Denial?
But I will say as much about our QB the last 4 years he has been ask to go chased Rabbit’s and the Dolphins have tied him to A tree?
Meaning the Dolphins fails to utilized his talents, Failed to provide two O/G’s and proper back up Tackles, could not established a creditable Run Game (50 to 60%).
Here are the 2016 top NFL CornerBacks Only 1 Corner Back was Drafted in the 1st round.
Richard Sherman drafted in the 5th round by Seattle 2012
Chris Harris #25 CB undrafted free agent by Denver 2011
(Aqib Talib #21 CB 1st round by Tampa)
Patrick Peterson #21 CB 5th round by Arizona Return specialist 2011
Josh Noman drafted by the Pathers 5th rounder 2011 and Returned Specialist.
A Bad team will always go out and overpay because their coaches failed to train and developed them properly. Yes we need stand out players but How do we coach them to be stand out and not become regressed players?
That being said if these above are top 5 Corners then What players are worthy to be at Dolphins 13th pick. If Mediocre then trade Back know the value of players being drafted. Some Coaches drafted these players at 5th round and the best CB player was not drafed?
Base on All Pro Ranking the Dolphins ranked 31st (Offensive Line). That being said We would have to wonder how well did Albert, James and Pouncey play also? I believed the 3 played well.
31. Miami Dolphins (32nd)
Pass-blocking rank: 29th
Run-blocking rank: 32nd
Penalties rank: 25th
Stud: While Mike Pouncey is the best of this bunch, he didn’t even need to have anything close to his best year to be the stud here.
Dud: Is it time to call an end to the Dallas Thomas experiment? He graded worse in 2015 than he did in 2014, and struggled whenever faced with semi-decent opposition.
Summary: On the plus side, they moved up a spot. But that was due more to the Chargers being that bad, rather than Miami getting better. Given how much money and how many high draft picks the team has spent, it has to be considered a monumental failure that they produce as badly as they do.
…the fins just pulled Ekpre-Olomu off waivers from Cleveland
…he was Cleveland’s 7th round draft pick last year who was on injured reserve the entire year for a serious knee injury during his last college game
…and Cleveland has a stable of healthy CBs already
…but he was a 1st round CB on everyone’s draft board before he blew his knee out …he is not 100% recovered …but claims to be “almost”
…so he’s a gamble, one Cleveland didn’t want to take and has no need to …but one that has zero downside for the fins and tremendous upside
…evidently, Cleveland didn’t think he’s “almost” recovered or he wouldn’t have been on the waiver wire …Miami wants to take a risk free look for themselves
…now that’s the kind of thinking I love …nothing to lose, much to gain …at a ridiculously cheap price if they decide to keep him
…and here’s the thing …if our meds think he can play again …kiss a high CB pick good-bye …we’ll already have it
Hey, great info – and agree that the move is a win win. It would also give them flexibility on who they choose. Also, we don’t know how high (double entendre meant) they are on Maxwell. If they are very high, then CB could be off the board. I think they are will to get the player they want despite bumps in this season. I think they are committed to their formula come what may. Now they said they need backs (could be angling for Elliot or other HB whose name escapes me right now), or they could be filling out their CB’s as Gase said they need too, or they could be setting up for a trade back – heck any number of things as non of use really know. Two things are for sure: One they will make a choice and someone will have bragging rights about their wisdom (or luck); TWO, the result of that decision will give further bragging rights or a BIG I told you so moment. Should be “fun” and much comments however it turns out!!
It will be a fun Thursday night on April 28. Miami has so many ways they can go, and I believe we may see more player/pick trades then ever.
I have the same feeling about a DE at 13 Admin, not very sexy as a fan, but needed and “IF” we get the right one, will pay dividends.
Even “IF” they are high on Maxwell, what is wrong w drafting a CB at 13 or 42 and having 2 shut down CBs for the next 4-5 years? Though, I am starting to sense that CB will not be the pick at 13 unless it is Hargraves. More and more a trade down seems the way to go, just need a trade partner.
I personally want a LBer at 13 (should the right one be there), if not trade down and add pick(s). I wouldn’t be opposed to J.Smith at 42 even though he most likely will be red shirted this season.
Should be interesting and hopefully fun for Miami fan’s to watch.
Remember George Allen the old coach for the Washington Red Skins? How he was famous for special teams there? Valuable field position this 2016 season should be a requirement? Burn’s could shorten the field to 40 to 60 yards on returns. Corner Back: Burns (5th to 6th rounder) The Wildcats best return man in the history of the school earned All-America honors for his production. He set the single-season kickoff-return yards record (1,138) at Kansas State, which ranks third all-time in Big 12 history.
Burns tied the school and Big 12 records for kickoff-return touchdowns (four). He ranked third in the country and first in the Big 12 in kickoff return average (33.5). Burns set another Big 12 record with four straight conference player of the week honors over the final month of the season. It coincided in extending the Kansas State streak of three consecutive seasons with the Wildcats having the Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Year winner, following in the footsteps of Tyler Lockett (2013-14).
In addition to being one of the best kickoff specialist entering the 2016 NFL Draft, Burns also started 12 games at cornerback, recording 38 tackles and 11 passes defended. Overall, Burns played in 48 career games starting 24 of those at cornerback and helped Kansas State to a 34-18 record and a Big 12 Championship in 2012 and four-straight bowl appearances.
…you mean sticking with a turnstile OL? …or repeatedly trying to make a DE out of a natural LB …or better yet, thinking that you can find a starting OL in the 4th round or later …do you always draw to an inside-straight?
…one of us just doesn’t get it, eh
…there is better than a 20% chance that a 13th pick will be a complete bust …that jumps to around 30% for 2nd rounders …50% for 3rd rounders
…and here we are with likely starters at CB and LB and you think the odds are better in using a 1st round pick on a CB or LB …even though you know we have less than zero at Guard and a huge probability of at least one of our OTs going down with a season ending injury again
…my my my
…imnsho THAT’s exactly the kind of thinking that got this team where it is today, eh …ad infinitum
…we have LBs that can play now …IF Jordan returns and they put him in his natural position, I think there is a good chance that he will finally play to potential …but even if he doesn’t, we still have a playable LB unit now …we do not have a playable OL …period
…we have CBs from last year’s draft that have a full year under their belt and showed flashes late last season …in point of fact, I think Lippet has legitimate potential not only to start but become a pro bowler …so pardon me if I think we already have a playable backfield …we do not have a playable OL …period
…so when someone posts draft lists with the first OL taken in the 4th-6th round, I tend to think otherwise, and say so
…if that “kind of thinking” offends you, maybe you need to find a “safe space”, eh 🙂
SO there goes your theory or thinking. 9 out of the 10 had decent or better NFL careers. In my world that is a 10% chance based off last 10 years alone.
Lemmus, I’m sorry but you live in a fantasy world. If you think they are going to take a lineman at 13 or they are not going to take a CB because of yesterday’s signing.
We have LBers that can play??????? Did you not watch any games last year. Seems that being stuck at mediocrity is good for you. Our LBers ranked 31st out of 32 teams per Pro Football Focus. Yet you say we have LBers that can play? Play what, maybe they can play on my JV football team and make a difference. Sure Kiko will help if healthy. AGAIN, that word “IF”. We have been living off of that word “IF”. And, “IF” we continue to do so, we will continue to draft in the top 10.
Than again, what “IF” Deon Jordan stays clean and can actually play (because we don’t know for sure), what “IF” Jenkins stays healthy and plays all 16 games, what “IF” Vigil is for real, what “IF” Wake comes back from an achilles at 34 years old, what “IF” 2 rookies from last year (Lippet/McCain) pan out, what “IF” Ekpre-Olomu is fully recovered and stays healthy and can play at this level.
Should I go on???
Lemmus, you must have been a huge Philbin supporter because that is exactly Philbins kind of thinking and that mentality is what got us here in the first place. Gase is a no non-sense guy. SUre we can take chances, but this team will not be relying on such chances, those chance positions will be addressed because they need to be and should the “IF”s come through we are that much better off. You are right some people just don’t get “IT”, “IF” you know what I mean.
You know Dunner you make a lot of sense as does Lemmus, it seems both of you have an idea of what needs to be done and either one of you could right. The only real difference I see is that you feel your opinion is the right one and Lemmus believes his is the right opinion. What I also notice is that when Lemmus gives his opinion he does just that he give an opinion, Dunner, you on the other hand seem to get angry and start trashing people when they don’t agree with what your saying, I have read a lot of posts you have made and I find both you and Lemmus very football smart, but do we really need to start ragging on somebody because there opinion differs from yours. Remember, we all have (1) thing in common we are Phin fans and we want to win. Let’s play nice, the season hasn’t even started yet. PHINSUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you say that? I’m just stating my opinions along w facts, I just do it directly, in layman’s terms, Lemmus is politically correct, both have the same insinuation.
Well here we go again another draft. last year draft many wanted a wide receiver in Davante Parker, My Thoughts were that we needed to trade out 2015 and draft more Offensive Linemen or take An Offensive linemen many thought I was Nuts! my reply was during the middle of 2015 season I don’t want to hear about offensive linemen? Fins got their Wide Receiver.
2016 Draft Miami Dolphins (Top two OT Tunsil Ole Mis and Stanley Notre Dame will be gone off the board maybe by pick 6 or 7.
Miami Dolphins could trade that 13th spot for more picks, Only if Elliot, Hargreaves or ( Player Worth 13th Value) Is not there? Maybe a second this year, a 1st next year and a 2nd the 3rd year? I don’t know?
Say the dolphins drop back as far as 23rd pick in the 1st (wounding up with Offensive Tackle Taylor Decker Ohio State.
Second round selecting Cody WhiteHair Offensive Guard from Kansas State or Vada Alexander LSA OG.
With extra pick could select Kendral Brothers or OLB Jushua Perry Ohio State There are many Scenario’s.
There is a reason that Stanley is loosing Value, he started out in the top 4 now more towards 9th thru 13th? Beware player here? Also the Dallas Cowboys had the Best Offensive line in 2015 so what gives?
That kind of thinking is exactly what got this team in the position they are in now (mediocre at best). Can anyone really count on D.Jordan???? That is what losing organizations do, sound familiar, we have been. THINKING that a player can or might be able to hold down a starting position, when not knowing for sure or not is a recipe for disaster (I like Lippet and McCain, but they are not proven at all). That was the kind of thinking that gave us our horrible guard play last year. I don’t see this staff allowing that to be the case without some thought behind it. If said prospects are not there at 13 when we draft, how could you expect a team to trade up while giving up a 2nd or 3rd? A trade from 25 on back would garnish a 2nd rounder, a trade back to 17-20 would garnish a 3rd rounder. I’m not sure there will be a partner. 2 QBs should be taken, 1 RB, 2 OTs should all be taken prior to the 13th pick, that would leave 7 players that could possibly go before Miami: 1) Ramsey 2) Bosa 3) Jack 4) Buckner 5) Hargreaves 6) Lee 7) Lawson
So if those 7 go, that would leave a handful of players in that 1st round that could step in and be a day 1 starter in 4 different positions.
True Stanley, Elliot or Vernon may not be around @ 13th picked but Base on Best Value. All of the below are strong Starters, Pro Bowlers etc.
Scenario # 1 1st Round RB Elliot 2nd Round Kendral Brothers ILB 3rd Round CB Burns 4th Round OG Landon Turner 5th Round QB Jones 6th Round OT Lewis 7th Round FB Vitale
Scenario # 2
1st Round CB Hargaves 2nd Round OG Vadal 3rd Round RB Collins 4th Round ILB Matakevich 5th Round QB Jones 6th Round OT Lewis 7th Round FB Vitale
Scenario # 3
1st Round Offensive Tackle Round Trade Back 2nd Round ILB Kendral Brothers 3rd Round CB Xavien Howard 4th Round RB Kenyan Drake 5th Round QB Jones 6th Round ILB Lewis 7th Round FB Vitale
A trade back could give us Joshua Perry OLB or one of the Guards ” (For a Second OG Vadal Alexander “(For a 5th OLB Travis Feeney)” 169 KJ Dillon SS 204 Tyvis Powell FS 161 Morgan Burns CB
Burs keeps popping up as a mid round pick…need to look into him. I’m a real novice as far as draft goes, but the mid rounders is where the really good GM’s make themselves a name. Most late round picks are a total guess to pan out, and the very early are mostly hits for none idiots, but the mids are the wild cards and like Seattle if you hit on them you are in big business. I think Vadal keeps popping up too – I do hope they good linemen in 2nd or 3rd at the very least.
…if Stanley is gone and we get a trade back offer into the high 20s with an extra 2nd, then we take it and try for Conklin AND Whitehurst
…look guys, I hear you on CB/RB/LB …I do
…but we have decent options already in place at CB/LB and this is a deep draft at RB …I think Lippet/McCain can start and hold their own …and I’m still hoping Jordan can fill at LB, assuming this staff can see that DE isn’t his natural position
…we don’t have any starting OL that are young, healthy, and without recent season ending injuries …much less, talented …even Pouncey has proven to be ho-hum of late
…the two “starting” guards are turnstiles and there are no quality backups
…everyone wants “impact” players in the first 2 rounds …best player available …yada yada yada
…me, what I want is a solid OL …period
…keep Tanny upright and give him and extra 2 secs to find his open receiver …or break a running lane for the RB …and get a blocker to the 2nd level that has a clue …there is NO “impact” player on offense or defense that would make a greater impact than a decent OL …imnsho, of course
…as I’ve said before, trade downs are not always the golden goose …if Stanley is gone and there is no one willing to trade up with us for good value, then we don’t “reach”, we take the bpa and pray …but I’m thinking trade down is looking pretty good if one of the top 3 QBs is still on the board at 13
If we went high twenties Lemmus I like Whitehair as some “experts” say he can be a center on top of being a great G. Conklin is good to me too. Only thing is for me next year they should be drafting higher – should be – and if that’s the case a RT or G will be readily available in that range where a very good CB probably won’t be. But, if at the end of the day if they take a linemen with the #13 or trade back – I’m completely fine with that as well. I think though unless they are masters of subterfuge they are avoiding linemen early…it’s a very risky decision if they do, though.
Dolphins set to host Ezekiel Elliott, but might need to trade up for the elite back. This clipping was taken from Sun Sentinel. Admin its pretty obvious that I’m A Elliot fan for the Dolphins But there is know need for a trade up which would not be wise. We have too many holes to filled its not funny!
13th Picked cannot be a curse for the Fins, they must remember that come draft day. Hargreaves and Elliot in my opinion will leave the most impact out of the 1st round players. A Potential shut down corner and A Prototype Running Back most value in the top 15 players. But if either is not there trade out for more picks. Dolphins don’t need to settle for A player if the value is not there.
A little Bit more on Corner Back Burns
He can play corner on defense—24 career starts—but his true value at the next level will be in the return game. His explosive playmaking ability as a return specialist earned him a laundry list of postseason accolades, and he leaves Manhattan, Kansas, tied for the all-time Big 12 lead in kickoff returns for touchdowns.
Burns isn’t likely to come off the board until Day 3, and he could possibly even end up as an undrafted free agent. No matter where he goes in that range, his electric return abilities could make him an immediate-impact player.
Hello DolFans
When the time comes for picking a Running Back for the Dolphins. Base on Dallas, Eagles, Giants or the Bears one will take Elliot. Miami’s next back Alex Collins But If Jonathan Williams pass physical ? He would be my picked. Why? Carlos Hyde-like ability to maintain his balance after all types contact anywhere on his body.
While Williams doesn’t have the breakaway speed to score 80-yard touchdowns, pound-for-pound, his combo of vision, shiftiness and continual leg churn is second only to Ezekiel Elliott’s in this class. That’s why Williams would be the next back that would pursue? I believed the Bronco’s s will pursue him too.
The Arkansas Razorbacks feature two of the best running backs in not only the SEC, but in all of college football. Alex Collins and Jonathan Williams should both translate well too the NFL. Williams is more of a bruiser, while Collins is the shiftier of the two.
When is the last time the Razorbacks have had two outstanding running backs on the same team? Darren McFadden and Felix Jones come to mind.
Name: Jonathan Williams
Position: Running back
School: Arkansas
Height: 5-foot-11
Weight: 220 pounds
Projected round: Third-Fifth
40-yard dash time: 4.55 seconds (pro day)
Bench press reps: 16
Key stats: Williams missed the 2015 season after requiring surgery on his foot, but was a productive powerhouse the year before, rushing for 1,190 yards and 12 touchdowns on just 211 carries.
How he fits: Williams is a complete back, capable of playing all three downs. He would provide the Lions with a nice power component to complement Ameer Abdullah.
Williams runs with purpose and has a knack for making tacklers miss, whether it’s with a sharp cut or plowing through them. He’s also advanced as a pass protector, an underrated component for the role he’d be asked to fill in Detroit.
The foot injury that cost him last 2015 season is certainly a concern. The Lions would need to be comfortable with the medical reports coming out of the combine. For as the Dolphins when was the last time We had a 3 down Back?
Considering the Fins missed Elliot in the Draft. Collins we may missed also in the 3rd round. But No Worries with a Clean Bill of Health Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas
Williams isn’t likely near the bottom of most running back rankings, yet after missing the entire 2015 season with a foot injury, it’s been easy for him to get passed by his contemporaries. Heck, his teammate, Alex Collins, turned in a fantastic 2015 campaign in which he ran for 1,577 yards and 20 touchdowns on 271 carries for the Razorbacks. In 2014 though, Williams was Collins’ co-star for Arkansas, as the two both eclipsed the 1,000-yard mark and scored 12 rushing touchdowns.
At 5-foot-11 and 220 pounds, Williams is ideally designed to be a three-down, feature back in the NFL. He wasn’t able to run through drills at the combine because of his injury, but his 2014 film is spectacular. In nearly every outing, Williams flashed springy burst through the hole, power through tacklers and most impressively, a Carlos Hyde-like ability to maintain his balance after all types contact anywhere on his body.
While Williams doesn’t have the breakaway speed to score 80-yard touchdowns, pound-for-pound, his combo of vision, shiftiness and continual leg churn is second only to Ezekiel Elliott’s in this class.
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_10_most_underrated_prospects_in_the_2016_nfl_draft/s1_13156_20637379
Base on Sportsonearth.com
Dolfans
We also need running backs for Tannehill also in the Backfield who can block? Elliot is almong them as a Very good Blocker & receiver. Whats the Differents in the 3 Backs DolFans?
Henry Alabama
The obvious place to start is with Alabama’s Derrick Henry, if only for the sheer volume of carries he had in 2015 — a whopping 395, tops in the NCAA. That high number of attempts led to the highest rushing yardage total in college football for the year at 2,219. The way Alabama approaches its run game — find the right back and run him into the ground — has been a criticism of draft prospects at the position for years.
But Henry is different. Though he had over 400 touches last year, including his 11 receptions, he had just 172 carries the year before and a mere 35 in 2013. He had a heavy workload last year, to be sure, and there should be a modicum of concern about the tread on his tires, but with 602 carries over three years, the bigger issue is more the lack of opportunities catching the football. In the passing game, Henry was employed more as a blocker, picking up would-be blitzers, rather than catching passes.
Elliot At Ohio State
The more rounded back, at least from proven collegiate production, is Ohio State’s Ezekiel Elliot, who had 27 receptions for 206 yards to go along with his 289 carries for 1,821 yards and 23 scores in 2015. Elliot, too, is a strong blocker. He also had a better yards-per-carry average than Henry, at 6.3. Henry may be a skilled receiver, but it’s something that wasn’t consistently on display in college. Elliot, meanwhile, has had more experience in that area, though in the NFL he could be seeing 40, 50 or more targets per season depending on where he lands and will have to consistently improve in this area.
Collins at Arkansas
Arkansas’s Alex Collins is much like Henry in the sense that he didn’t have many pass-catching opportunities last year, with just 13 receptions for 95 yards. But like Henry, his biggest asset in the collegiate passing game was blocking. He also ran well, with 271 carries for 1,577 yards and 20 scores.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/170707528/workhorse-running-backs-featured-in-nfl-draft
Hello Dolfans
I did make a mistake about Elliot being a Good pass Blocker!
WEAKNESSES: Elliott needs to become more consistent as a receiver and needs refinement as a blocker, but it’s tough to find weaknesses in his run style, which is why he could projects as one of the top running backs and a likely first-round pick in the 2016 class.
–Dane Brugler (12/1/15)
Mock Draft Expert Analysis
RangBruglerPriscoBrinson Philadelphia Eagles | #8
Few players offer more immediate impact potential than Elliott, the consensus top back in the draft. After working previously with LeSean McCoy in Philadelphia and Jamaal Charles in Kansas City, new Eagles coach Doug Pederson is used to operating an offense around a star back. Elliott has the well-rounded game to be a star in Pederson’s offense.
A good running back assignment to block for Tannehill is very important even when the linemen are blocking? Once again We have a lot of players in the position but who is really doing the Job? Hint Ezekiel Elliot can block in the back field for Tannehill Allso Hint 7th Round FB Vitale? Many would cry! But How many Assignment Blocks are missed by the Running Backs? For the fans who always say OH we can always throw in a Running back down the road?
Meanwhile, I wonder if the Dolphins 14 sacks allowed are skewed, in the same way that the Saints have been better at putting pressure on the quarterback than the sacks indicate. I always harp on the fact that sacks only tell part of the story, and I think that’s the case here. Jonathan Martin has held up his end of the bargain on the left side, and the interior has looked steady with Mike Pouncey leading the way. The issue is that the Dolphins aren’t getting good pass blocking out of the backs, as those guys have been responsible for allowing a few sacks by not picking up blitzers.
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This analytical look is proof that Tannehill could/should benefit from the Dolphins’ offensive line being reinforced even more than it has been this offseason, which including the signing of four veterans – Jermon Bushrod, Sam Young, Kraig Urbik and Jacques McClendon – to fortify the team’s depth.
Any offense that’s averaging 30.5 points, averaging 147 rushing yards and has a quarterback with a 107 passer rating would be hard to beat.
The Dolphins have already invested two first-round picks, one second-round pick, three third-round picks, and one fourth-round pick on thier offensive line since 2010. It might benefit Miami to keep the investment in the offensive line going considering how well the offense and Tannehill has performed when the unit isn’t decimated by injuries and can win the line of scrimmage.
The Dolphins brass and coaches need to figure out what they can do to turn that seven-game period into a real NFL fairy tale.
Some Dolphins History on the offensive line.
At no point should anyone make the argument that an offense that scored 21 or more points only three times during the 2015 season can be viewed as acceptable. However, there was a small window of games the past two seasons that we’ll examine that present a glimmer of hope for Miami.
I’m referring to the seven games the cornerstones of the Dolphins’ offensive line – left tackle Branden Albert, center Mike Pouncey, and right tackle Ja’Wuan James – actually started and finished a game together.
We’re talking about the games where Albert’s right knee was healthy, Pouncey’s hip and foot wasn’t an issue, and the period early in his career where James didn’t miss more than half the season with a foot injury.
During those seven games the Dolphins managed a 6-1 record.
In 2014 the Dolphins beat Chicago (27-14) and Jacksonville (27-13) on the road, pummeled San Diego (37-0) and the one loss was to Green Bay (27-24) on a last-second play where the defense (cough, cough Philip Wheeler) let a victory escape the team’s grasp.
So in games where Albert, Pouncey and James started and finished in 2014 the Dolphins were 3-1.
Flip the page to 2015 and the Dolphins produced a 3-0 record in games Albert, Pouncey and James started and finished the contests.
Miami beat Washington 17-10 in the season opener courtesy of Jarvis Landry’s punt return for a touchdown. The Dolphins destroyed Tennessee 38-10 on the road in Dan Campbell’s first game as interim head coach, and Miami pummeled Houston 44-26.
James suffered his foot injury in Miami’s lost to New England the next week.
Taken from sports Sentinel!
Hello DolFans
We all can agree that we desire having a winning season. Lemus wants the offenses line address 1st, Dunner feels that the Defense needs addressing 1st and Admin swaying towards the Corner Backs 1st.
Here’s the real problem Admin/Jimmy wrote about it a few years back. Bob Griese & Dan Marino between the two for 34 years the Miami Dolphins has had only two losing season with two QB’s. Currently we have been playued by over a decade of losing seasons.
Miami has never address the problems of QB’s.
We are heading into season 5 with a questionable QB which is #30th QB’s and we are hoping that the offensive line was the problem? Its like all are nothing? (No true deep threat and has never won a must win game)
Matt Moore’s time may have passed being A threat QB?. We need to Draft a later round QB who has won A national Title for security allow to ride the Bench and learn. But Miami is afraid of success I believed? Do we really think the PAT’s are playing games with Tom Brady’s replacement or backup?
…we have no idea whether or not Tannehill is the future or not
…the past coaching staff as well as the present support him despite plenty of opportunities to bench him …they should have replaced Moore two years ago and started grooming someone with a future just in case they changed their minds
…but here’s the thing …after 4 years of Tannehill we still don’t know …and the reason we still don’t know is that he’s been the most sacked/hurried/forced out QB in the NFL over that time span …he’s never played with any kind of decent pass protection, much less a consistent running game to take the pressure off him
…I’m convinced that Gase is serious about turning our turnstiles into pro-bowlers in the weight room …and I’d love to think he’s right …but I don’t
…so we pick up a high potential running back in the 1st and watch him run into a stone wall time after time because no one can open a crease for him, much less a lane …and then watch again and again as the coaches go to the pass and lo and behold, Tannehill is under unholy attack because our OL can’t give him time to find an open receiver, much less deliver …and there we are again in Jan ’17 not knowing if Tannehill is the man
…hell yeah, we need a decent RB …but we need an OL first
…or we pick a LB despite having made what Gase appears to think are significant upgrades there in FA …not to mention Jordan again as that seems to offend someone’s safe space …or a CB when we already have two 2nd year CBs on the roster due to come into their prime and showing a lot of potential in the last ’15 games …do we really think Gase already traded away our #8 pick for a bust? …if that’s true, god help us in the draft
…hell yeah, we could use LB/CB …but we need an OL first
…and yeah, we go for broke and pick an “impact” player at 13 …and we get those “wonder” guards in the 4th-6th …then hold our breaths that #13’s not another bust …all the while our newly minted workout demons still can’t stop a power rush, much less a speed rush …and our late picks never make it off the bench …again
…and, oh yeah …this was simply delightful …”I’m” a Philbin lover because I want to fix the OL
…ROTFLMAOBT!!!!!
Lemmus I hear ya! Its not that you want to fix the O-Line, but how. Its not wrong and I’m not right. I am in agreement w Tanny, however; there were 4 QBs that were sacked as many or more than Tanyy in ’15:
1) Bortles
2) Rodgers
3) A.Smith
4) Wilson
* Stafford was sacked 1 less time than Tanny
So there is 5 PRO BOWL QBs that were sacked as many or more times than Tanny last year (15′ season) and some how, some way they managed. So to say we can’t get a true evaluation of Tanny without drafting O-Lineman in the first round is, IMO, incorrect. I feel that it has been the coaching staff all along and if Tanny struggles w the same issues this year regardless of the O-Line, there you have it, we will be looking else where. Who knows, maybe this staff has that feeling and they are setting themselves up for the opportunity to either sign a big free agent QB (plenty of cap space) or having the ammunition to move up in the draft to draft a top QB next year (compensation picks along with regular picks). Facts are facts, a great O-Line doesn’t make the QB, a good enough QB will adjust accordingly, at least the upper echelon QBs. Lemmus, it would make any QBs job easier w good protection though.
Dunner
Very nice Assessment on our offensive line and the break down of the NFL QB’s with similar sacks but some how turn their adversity into Pro Bowl i.e. playoff status.
Many Fans think that to critique Tannehill means We oppose him NOT SO. We want A 100% for Tannehill to Succeed with the Dolphins. But With every player on the Dolphins roster there is room for improvement. The 1st phrase of problem solving is to Identify the problem or problems. Identify every players issues needing improvement and not say anything about the QB is Hypocrisy or living in Denial?
But I will say as much about our QB the last 4 years he has been ask to go chased Rabbit’s and the Dolphins have tied him to A tree?
Meaning the Dolphins fails to utilized his talents, Failed to provide two O/G’s and proper back up Tackles, could not established a creditable Run Game (50 to 60%).
Here are the 2016 top NFL CornerBacks
Only 1 Corner Back was Drafted in the 1st round.
Richard Sherman drafted in the 5th round by Seattle 2012
Chris Harris #25 CB undrafted free agent by Denver 2011
(Aqib Talib #21 CB 1st round by Tampa)
Patrick Peterson #21 CB 5th round by Arizona Return specialist 2011
Josh Noman drafted by the Pathers 5th rounder 2011
and Returned Specialist.
A Bad team will always go out and overpay because their coaches failed to train and developed them properly. Yes we need stand out players but How do we coach them to be stand out and not become regressed players?
That being said if these above are top 5 Corners then What players are worthy to be at Dolphins 13th pick. If Mediocre then trade Back know the value of players being drafted. Some Coaches drafted these players at 5th round and the best CB player was not drafed?
Base on All Pro Ranking the Dolphins ranked 31st (Offensive Line). That being said We would have to wonder how well did Albert, James and Pouncey play also? I believed the 3 played well.
31. Miami Dolphins (32nd)
Pass-blocking rank: 29th
Run-blocking rank: 32nd
Penalties rank: 25th
Stud: While Mike Pouncey is the best of this bunch, he didn’t even need to have anything close to his best year to be the stud here.
Dud: Is it time to call an end to the Dallas Thomas experiment? He graded worse in 2015 than he did in 2014, and struggled whenever faced with semi-decent opposition.
Summary: On the plus side, they moved up a spot. But that was due more to the Chargers being that bad, rather than Miami getting better. Given how much money and how many high draft picks the team has spent, it has to be considered a monumental failure that they produce as badly as they do.
pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season
How much of this is Coaching?
…and here’s the rest of the story
…the fins just pulled Ekpre-Olomu off waivers from Cleveland
…he was Cleveland’s 7th round draft pick last year who was on injured reserve the entire year for a serious knee injury during his last college game
…and Cleveland has a stable of healthy CBs already
…but he was a 1st round CB on everyone’s draft board before he blew his knee out …he is not 100% recovered …but claims to be “almost”
…so he’s a gamble, one Cleveland didn’t want to take and has no need to …but one that has zero downside for the fins and tremendous upside
…evidently, Cleveland didn’t think he’s “almost” recovered or he wouldn’t have been on the waiver wire …Miami wants to take a risk free look for themselves
…now that’s the kind of thinking I love …nothing to lose, much to gain …at a ridiculously cheap price if they decide to keep him
…and here’s the thing …if our meds think he can play again …kiss a high CB pick good-bye …we’ll already have it
Hey, great info – and agree that the move is a win win. It would also give them flexibility on who they choose. Also, we don’t know how high (double entendre meant) they are on Maxwell. If they are very high, then CB could be off the board. I think they are will to get the player they want despite bumps in this season. I think they are committed to their formula come what may. Now they said they need backs (could be angling for Elliot or other HB whose name escapes me right now), or they could be filling out their CB’s as Gase said they need too, or they could be setting up for a trade back – heck any number of things as non of use really know. Two things are for sure: One they will make a choice and someone will have bragging rights about their wisdom (or luck); TWO, the result of that decision will give further bragging rights or a BIG I told you so moment. Should be “fun” and much comments however it turns out!!
It will be a fun Thursday night on April 28. Miami has so many ways they can go, and I believe we may see more player/pick trades then ever.
I have the same feeling about a DE at 13 Admin, not very sexy as a fan, but needed and “IF” we get the right one, will pay dividends.
Even “IF” they are high on Maxwell, what is wrong w drafting a CB at 13 or 42 and having 2 shut down CBs for the next 4-5 years? Though, I am starting to sense that CB will not be the pick at 13 unless it is Hargraves. More and more a trade down seems the way to go, just need a trade partner.
I personally want a LBer at 13 (should the right one be there), if not trade down and add pick(s). I wouldn’t be opposed to J.Smith at 42 even though he most likely will be red shirted this season.
Should be interesting and hopefully fun for Miami fan’s to watch.
Admin
Remember George Allen the old coach for the Washington Red Skins? How he was famous for special teams there? Valuable field position this 2016 season should be a requirement? Burn’s could shorten the field to 40 to 60 yards on returns.
Corner Back: Burns (5th to 6th rounder)
The Wildcats best return man in the history of the school earned All-America honors for his production. He set the single-season kickoff-return yards record (1,138) at Kansas State, which ranks third all-time in Big 12 history.
Burns tied the school and Big 12 records for kickoff-return touchdowns (four). He ranked third in the country and first in the Big 12 in kickoff return average (33.5). Burns set another Big 12 record with four straight conference player of the week honors over the final month of the season. It coincided in extending the Kansas State streak of three consecutive seasons with the Wildcats having the Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Year winner, following in the footsteps of Tyler Lockett (2013-14).
In addition to being one of the best kickoff specialist entering the 2016 NFL Draft, Burns also started 12 games at cornerback, recording 38 tackles and 11 passes defended. Overall, Burns played in 48 career games starting 24 of those at cornerback and helped Kansas State to a 34-18 record and a Big 12 Championship in 2012 and four-straight bowl appearances.
…”that kind of thinking” …oh my my my
…you mean sticking with a turnstile OL?
…or repeatedly trying to make a DE out of a natural LB
…or better yet, thinking that you can find a starting OL in the 4th round or later …do you always draw to an inside-straight?
…one of us just doesn’t get it, eh
…there is better than a 20% chance that a 13th pick will be a complete bust …that jumps to around 30% for 2nd rounders …50% for 3rd rounders
…and here we are with likely starters at CB and LB and you think the odds are better in using a 1st round pick on a CB or LB …even though you know we have less than zero at Guard and a huge probability of at least one of our OTs going down with a season ending injury again
…my my my
…imnsho THAT’s exactly the kind of thinking that got this team where it is today, eh …ad infinitum
…we have LBs that can play now …IF Jordan returns and they put him in his natural position, I think there is a good chance that he will finally play to potential …but even if he doesn’t, we still have a playable LB unit now …we do not have a playable OL …period
…we have CBs from last year’s draft that have a full year under their belt and showed flashes late last season …in point of fact, I think Lippet has legitimate potential not only to start but become a pro bowler …so pardon me if I think we already have a playable backfield …we do not have a playable OL …period
…so when someone posts draft lists with the first OL taken in the 4th-6th round, I tend to think otherwise, and say so
…if that “kind of thinking” offends you, maybe you need to find a “safe space”, eh 🙂
safe space…hahah ohhh Lord how far we as a country have fallen.
Lemmus, the #13th pick in the last 10 years has been as follows:
15- A.Peat
14- A.Donald
13- S.Richardson
12- M.Floyd
11- N.Fairley
10- B.Graham
09- B.Orakpo
08- J.Stewart
07- A.Carrilur
06- K.Wimbley
SO there goes your theory or thinking. 9 out of the 10 had decent or better NFL careers. In my world that is a 10% chance based off last 10 years alone.
Lemmus, I’m sorry but you live in a fantasy world. If you think they are going to take a lineman at 13 or they are not going to take a CB because of yesterday’s signing.
We have LBers that can play??????? Did you not watch any games last year. Seems that being stuck at mediocrity is good for you. Our LBers ranked 31st out of 32 teams per Pro Football Focus. Yet you say we have LBers that can play? Play what, maybe they can play on my JV football team and make a difference. Sure Kiko will help if healthy. AGAIN, that word “IF”. We have been living off of that word “IF”. And, “IF” we continue to do so, we will continue to draft in the top 10.
Than again, what “IF” Deon Jordan stays clean and can actually play (because we don’t know for sure), what “IF” Jenkins stays healthy and plays all 16 games, what “IF” Vigil is for real, what “IF” Wake comes back from an achilles at 34 years old, what “IF” 2 rookies from last year (Lippet/McCain) pan out, what “IF” Ekpre-Olomu is fully recovered and stays healthy and can play at this level.
Should I go on???
Lemmus, you must have been a huge Philbin supporter because that is exactly Philbins kind of thinking and that mentality is what got us here in the first place. Gase is a no non-sense guy. SUre we can take chances, but this team will not be relying on such chances, those chance positions will be addressed because they need to be and should the “IF”s come through we are that much better off. You are right some people just don’t get “IT”, “IF” you know what I mean.
You know Dunner you make a lot of sense as does Lemmus, it seems both of you have an idea of what needs to be done and either one of you could right.
The only real difference I see is that you feel your opinion is the right one and Lemmus believes his is the right opinion.
What I also notice is that when Lemmus gives his opinion he does just that he give an opinion, Dunner, you on the other hand seem to get angry and start trashing people when they don’t agree with what your saying, I have read a lot of posts you have made and I find both you and Lemmus very football smart, but do we really need to start ragging on somebody because there opinion differs from yours.
Remember, we all have (1) thing in common we are Phin fans and we want to win.
Let’s play nice, the season hasn’t even started yet. PHINSUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you say that? I’m just stating my opinions along w facts, I just do it directly, in layman’s terms, Lemmus is politically correct, both have the same insinuation.
Like you said, Go Phins for all!!!!
Lemus
Well here we go again another draft. last year draft many wanted a wide receiver in Davante Parker, My Thoughts were that we needed to trade out 2015 and draft more Offensive Linemen or take An Offensive linemen many thought I was Nuts! my reply was during the middle of 2015 season I don’t want to hear about offensive linemen? Fins got their Wide Receiver.
2016 Draft Miami Dolphins (Top two OT Tunsil Ole Mis and Stanley Notre Dame will be gone off the board maybe by pick 6 or 7.
Miami Dolphins could trade that 13th spot for more picks, Only if Elliot, Hargreaves or ( Player Worth 13th Value) Is not there? Maybe a second this year, a 1st next year and a 2nd the 3rd year? I don’t know?
Say the dolphins drop back as far as 23rd pick in the 1st (wounding up with Offensive Tackle Taylor Decker Ohio State.
Second round selecting Cody WhiteHair Offensive Guard from Kansas State or Vada Alexander LSA OG.
With extra pick could select Kendral Brothers or OLB Jushua Perry Ohio State There are many Scenario’s.
There is a reason that Stanley is loosing Value, he started out in the top 4 now more towards 9th thru 13th? Beware player here? Also the Dallas Cowboys had the Best Offensive line in 2015 so what gives?
That kind of thinking is exactly what got this team in the position they are in now (mediocre at best). Can anyone really count on D.Jordan???? That is what losing organizations do, sound familiar, we have been. THINKING that a player can or might be able to hold down a starting position, when not knowing for sure or not is a recipe for disaster (I like Lippet and McCain, but they are not proven at all). That was the kind of thinking that gave us our horrible guard play last year. I don’t see this staff allowing that to be the case without some thought behind it. If said prospects are not there at 13 when we draft, how could you expect a team to trade up while giving up a 2nd or 3rd? A trade from 25 on back would garnish a 2nd rounder, a trade back to 17-20 would garnish a 3rd rounder. I’m not sure there will be a partner. 2 QBs should be taken, 1 RB, 2 OTs should all be taken prior to the 13th pick, that would leave 7 players that could possibly go before Miami:
1) Ramsey
2) Bosa
3) Jack
4) Buckner
5) Hargreaves
6) Lee
7) Lawson
So if those 7 go, that would leave a handful of players in that 1st round that could step in and be a day 1 starter in 4 different positions.
The DE is very good long ball , but I do have a bit of a hard time swallowing the DE – even though one will eventually be needed.
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True Stanley, Elliot or Vernon may not be around @ 13th picked but Base on Best Value. All of the below are strong Starters, Pro Bowlers etc.
Scenario # 1
1st Round RB Elliot
2nd Round Kendral Brothers ILB
3rd Round CB Burns
4th Round OG Landon Turner
5th Round QB Jones
6th Round OT Lewis
7th Round FB Vitale
Scenario # 2
1st Round CB Hargaves
2nd Round OG Vadal
3rd Round RB Collins
4th Round ILB Matakevich
5th Round QB Jones
6th Round OT Lewis
7th Round FB Vitale
Scenario # 3
1st Round Offensive Tackle Round Trade Back
2nd Round ILB Kendral Brothers
3rd Round CB Xavien Howard
4th Round RB Kenyan Drake
5th Round QB Jones
6th Round ILB Lewis
7th Round FB Vitale
A trade back could give us Joshua Perry OLB or one of the Guards
” (For a Second OG Vadal Alexander
“(For a 5th OLB Travis Feeney)”
169 KJ Dillon SS
204 Tyvis Powell FS
161 Morgan Burns CB
Burs keeps popping up as a mid round pick…need to look into him. I’m a real novice as far as draft goes, but the mid rounders is where the really good GM’s make themselves a name. Most late round picks are a total guess to pan out, and the very early are mostly hits for none idiots, but the mids are the wild cards and like Seattle if you hit on them you are in big business. I think Vadal keeps popping up too – I do hope they good linemen in 2nd or 3rd at the very least.
…if Stanley is gone and we get a trade back offer into the high 20s with an extra 2nd, then we take it and try for Conklin AND Whitehurst
…look guys, I hear you on CB/RB/LB …I do
…but we have decent options already in place at CB/LB and this is a deep draft at RB …I think Lippet/McCain can start and hold their own …and I’m still hoping Jordan can fill at LB, assuming this staff can see that DE isn’t his natural position
…we don’t have any starting OL that are young, healthy, and without recent season ending injuries …much less, talented …even Pouncey has proven to be ho-hum of late
…the two “starting” guards are turnstiles and there are no quality backups
…everyone wants “impact” players in the first 2 rounds …best player available …yada yada yada
…me, what I want is a solid OL …period
…keep Tanny upright and give him and extra 2 secs to find his open receiver …or break a running lane for the RB …and get a blocker to the 2nd level that has a clue …there is NO “impact” player on offense or defense that would make a greater impact than a decent OL …imnsho, of course
…as I’ve said before, trade downs are not always the golden goose …if Stanley is gone and there is no one willing to trade up with us for good value, then we don’t “reach”, we take the bpa and pray …but I’m thinking trade down is looking pretty good if one of the top 3 QBs is still on the board at 13
If we went high twenties Lemmus I like Whitehair as some “experts” say he can be a center on top of being a great G. Conklin is good to me too. Only thing is for me next year they should be drafting higher – should be – and if that’s the case a RT or G will be readily available in that range where a very good CB probably won’t be. But, if at the end of the day if they take a linemen with the #13 or trade back – I’m completely fine with that as well. I think though unless they are masters of subterfuge they are avoiding linemen early…it’s a very risky decision if they do, though.
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Dolphins set to host Ezekiel Elliott, but might need to trade up for the elite back. This clipping was taken from Sun Sentinel. Admin its pretty obvious that I’m A Elliot fan for the Dolphins But there is know need for a trade up which would not be wise. We have too many holes to filled its not funny!
13th Picked cannot be a curse for the Fins, they must remember that come draft day. Hargreaves and Elliot in my opinion will leave the most impact out of the 1st round players. A Potential shut down corner and A Prototype Running Back most value in the top 15 players. But if either is not there trade out for more picks. Dolphins don’t need to settle for A player if the value is not there.